Hardware-Level Spy Back-doors, That Conspiracy Theorists Warned About, Have Been Found In All Phones and Computers made by Silicon Valley


Hardware-Level Spy Back-doors That Conspiracy Theorists Warned About Have Been Found In All Phones and Computers made by Silicon Valley

Your worst fears from 1984, The Terminator, SkyNet and all things Big Brother have been confirmed. Intel, Cisco, Google and most of Silicon Valley sold you out like a bitch. Consumers need to sue the Silicon Valley Companies into oblivion! They took billions of your consumer dollars and sold you a lie that damaged your life!

Ignore the denials from these corporate abusers and election riggers that these were "coincidental accidents". They have billions of dollars of analysis equipment that knows what every part of their circuits do in intimate detail. These were no "accidents", Obama funded them to do this!

Built-in "security flaws" put virtually all phones, computers at risk - Thank You Silicon Valley

By Douglas Busvine and Stephen Nellis


FILE PHOTO - The Intel logo is shown at the E3 2017 Electronic Entertainment Expo in Los Angeles, California, U.S. June 13, 2017. REUTERS/ Mike Blake

By Douglas Busvine and Stephen Nellis

FRANKFURT/SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Security researchers on Wednesday disclosed a set of security flaws that they said could let hackers steal sensitive information from nearly every modern computing device containing chips from Intel Corp <INTC.O>, Advanced Micro Devices Inc <AMD.O> and ARM Holdings.

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One of the bugs is specific to Intel but another affects laptops, desktop computers, smartphones, tablets and internet servers alike. Intel and ARM insisted that the issue was not a design flaw, but it will require users to download a patch and update their operating system to fix.

“Phones, PCs, everything are going to have some impact, but it’ll vary from product to product,” Intel CEO Brian Krzanich said in an interview with CNBC Wednesday afternoon.

Researchers with Alphabet Inc's <GOOGL.O> Google Project Zero, in conjunction with academic and industry researchers from several countries, discovered two flaws.

The first, called Meltdown, affects Intel chips and lets hackers bypass the hardware barrier between applications run by users and the computer's memory, potentially letting hackers read a computer's memory and steal passwords. The second, called Spectre, affects chips from Intel, AMD and ARM and lets hackers potentially trick otherwise error-free applications into giving up secret information.

The researchers said Apple Inc <AAPL.O> and Microsoft Corp <MSFT.O> had patches ready for users for desktop computers affected by Meltdown. Microsoft declined to comment and Apple did not immediately return requests for comment.

Daniel Gruss, one of the researchers at Graz University of Technology who discovered Meltdown, called it "probably one of the worst CPU bugs ever found" in an interview with Reuters.

Gruss said Meltdown was the more serious problem in the short term but could be decisively stopped with software patches. Spectre, the broader bug that applies to nearly all computing devices, is harder for hackers to take advantage of but less easily patched and will be a bigger problem in the long term, he said.

Speaking on CNBC, Intel's Krzanich said Google researchers told Intel of the flaws "a while ago" and that Intel had been testing fixes that device makers who use its chips will push out next week. Before the problems became public, Google on its blog said Intel and others planned to disclose the issues on Jan. 9.

The flaws were first reported by tech publication The Register. It also reported that the updates to fix the problems could causes Intel chips to operate 5 percent to 30 percent more slowly. (http://bit.ly/2CsRxkj)

Intel denied that the patches would bog down computers based on Intel chips.

"Intel has begun providing software and firmware updates to mitigate these exploits," Intel said in a statement. "Contrary to some reports, any performance impacts are workload-dependent, and, for the average computer user, should not be significant and will be mitigated over time."

ARM spokesman Phil Hughes said that patches had already been shared with the companies' partners, which include many smartphone manufacturers.

"This method only works if a certain type of malicious code is already running on a device and could at worst result in small pieces of data being accessed from privileged memory," Hughes said in an email.

AMD chips are also affected by at least one variant of a set of security flaws but that it can be patched with a software update. The company said it believes there "is near zero risk to AMD products at this time."

Google said in a blog post that Android phones running the latest security updates are protected, as are its own Nexus and Pixel phones with the latest security updates. Gmail users do not need to take any additional action to protect themselves, but users of its Chromebooks, Chrome web browser and many of its Google Cloud services will need to install updates.

The defect affects the so-called kernel memory on Intel x86 processor chips manufactured over the past decade, The Register reported citing unnamed programmers, allowing users of normal applications to discern the layout or content of protected areas on the chips.

That could make it possible for hackers to exploit other security bugs or, worse, expose secure information such as passwords, thus compromising individual computers or even entire server networks.

Dan Guido, chief executive of cyber security consulting firm Trail of Bits, said that businesses should quickly move to update vulnerable systems, saying he expects hackers to quickly develop code they can use to launch attacks that exploit the vulnerabilities. “Exploits for these bugs will be added to hacker’s standard toolkits,” said Guido.

Shares in Intel were down by 3.4 percent following the report but nudged back up 1.2 percent to $44.70 in after-hours trading while shares in AMD were up 1 percent to $11.77, shedding many of the gains they had made earlier in the day when reports suggested its chips were not affected.

It was not immediately clear whether Intel would face any significant financial liability arising from the reported flaw.

"The current Intel problem, if true, would likely not require CPU replacement in our opinion. However the situation is fluid," Hans Mosesmann of Rosenblatt Securities in New York said in a note, adding it could hurt the company's reputation.


(Reporting by Douglas Busvine in Frankfurt and Stephen Nellis and Salvador Rodriguez in San Francisco; Additional reporting by Jim Finkle in Toronto and Laharee Chatterjee in Bengaluru; Editing by Susan Fenton and Lisa Shumaker)

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  • dafuror


    4 hours ago

    "Before the problems became public, Google on its blog said Intel and others planned to disclose the issues on Jan. 9."

    Of course they did.

  • Nour in SD

    Nour in SD

    20 hours ago

    Good reporting, but leaving this part in the article "AMD NO AFFECTED" is not 100% accurate, but what is these days, right? I'm semi disappointed, but good reporting non-the-less

  • Kimona



    First off it's not a flaw. It was designed into the chips for the NSA. Just like Microsoft has been working with the NSA for decades to put back doors in Windows. That leaked out when Vista was been developed.




    Kernel memory leaking' Intel processor design flaw forces Linux, Windows redesign (theregister.co.uk)

    submitted  ago by Troll to technology (+80|-0)



    Intel's CEO Just Sold a Lot of Stock (Old News, Dec 19, but now it's relevant) (fool.com)

    submitted  ago by Troll to technology (+41|-1)


    AMD processors are not subject to the types of attacks that the kernel page table isolation feature protects against. (lkml.org)

    submitted  ago by Troll to technology (+106|-1)

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  • Theory: The intel "bug" was known for decades, and isn't a bug but intentional (technology)

    submitted  ago by stillinit

    And for some reason, they're coming out with the information now. Even after these patches, the back doors will still exist. What is the agenda behind this?

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    [–] VicariousJambi 12 points (+14|-2)  ago 

    Did all you retards forget about the vault 7 shit?

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    [–] dooob 4 points (+5|-1)  ago 

    Whoever is shocked about this is an ignorant person. This was a "conspiracy" rumor for years.

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    [–] revofire 0 points (+0|-0)  ago 

    What's the worst part about us being so woke? The fact that we're the only ones that know or that we'll never be able to share it unless be dedicate 110% of ourselves to taking down the machine.

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    [–] ilikeskittles 11 points (+12|-1)  ago 

    I was going to ask if this was really a bug or an NSA provided "feature".

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    [–] gabara 4 points (+4|-0)  ago 

    I'm wondering if it's a distraction to get people to buy new chips that now have better back doors for the government.

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    [–] sir_andy_of_bad 5 points (+6|-1)  ago  (edited  ago)

    The vault 7 leaks provided known tools, designed by the NSA. Hacker groups were able to reverse engineer the tools and use the exploits that were originally designed solely for NSA use. Think of it like Jurassic Park. Now that this shit is in the wild, suddenly it's a problem. Even though they've designed this horrendous problem, placing it into every single computer system sold for at least the past decade, it's just now become a problem because the sole key holders are no longer the US government alphabet agencies. Now they've given names to these exploits, and you better GODDAMNED believe that they will spin this as an unforeseeable problem to the normies.

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    [–] stillinit [S] 0 points (+0|-0)  ago 

    This makes sense.

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    [–] Cat-hax 0 points (+1|-1)  ago 

    Thus proving every one of us who said programed backdoors into devices for government use is bad, are right, but no one will listen as always.

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    [–] VoatIsForTimmy 5 points (+5|-0)  ago 

    If it's not an NSA backdoor, then it's definitely a bug. You'll never hear that from Intel, because the cost of lawsuits would become a serious issue to them.

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    [–] huhu11 3 points (+4|-1)  ago  (edited  ago)

    No shit sherlock. Only the common gullible folks believe it's a cute "accident". The same folks that believe in all the shit that's force-fed down their throats.

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    [–] Cat-hax 0 points (+1|-1)  ago 

    Yep, such a major "flaw" would of been found before they even sold the chips if it was not manufacturered.

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    [–] 0011011000111001 3 points (+4|-1)  ago 

    Of course it's a NSA backdoor. Don't think otherwise. You know, NSA approves these leaks after they have a better backdoor in place.

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    [–] lxbb 2 points (+3|-1)  ago 

    Its been known about since at least July last year, google reported it, and seems totally bizarre the storm, and now patching has just begun. Defenitely a feature that got found out so this is damage limitation.

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    [–] Piroko 2 points (+2|-0)  ago  (edited  ago)

    They were lazy years ago, and complacent ever since then.

    This is the result of bringing copy-paste into chip design.

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    [–] totes_magotes 1 points (+1|-0)  ago 

    Right idea, wrong conclusion.

    The bug is because we're trying to get around Moore's Law. Once they hit a certain point in hardware architecture, they needed to start getting inventive to continue increasing performance. The bug exists because they started having things guess what the most likely "next call" was going to be, cache those and hand them off instead of waiting for the actual call.

    It may also have been convenient for them in providing a back door but the intent was performance. So, now without this bullshit idea of trying to guess what the next instruction set will be, we're going to start seeing the true performance of the processors. The fix isn't a performance hit, it's putting things back where it belongs.

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    [–] fluxusp 1 points (+2|-1)  ago 

    It took Intel this long 'cause they didn't have to "fix" anything until the "flaw" was discovered. I expect them to solve nothing and continue to piss us off. Gotta keep that backdoor!

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    [–] fritz_maurentod 0 points (+0|-0)  ago 

    You can read the papers about how Meltdown and Spectre work. The NSA and other intelligence agencies might have found a way to exploit this long ago, but I'd be surprised if this was an intentional backdoor. My bet is that Intel and AMD were so obsessed with making processors faster and faster that they completely overlooked this issue.

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    [–] TheBuddha 0 points (+0|-0)  ago 


    That doesn't even rise to the level of a hypothesis.

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    [–] raw 0 points (+0|-0)  ago  (edited  ago)

    I think that this is not intentional considering the number of big players involved. Like Google, Microsoft, Facebook or Amazon all use Intel's CPU on their server and big datacenters. And it was really a backdoor, would they have still stuck with Intel till now? Would they risk all the valuable user data they collect be vulnerable to be stolen? And let their computer vulnerable to the most severe hacking? Average Joe may not care, but these big players do. And if they knew, they would have all been on AMD by now. And NSA wouldn't need gag orders to ask them to give their user info. They'd just log into their server and acess anything they want with escalated priviledges. This bug is that dangerous.

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    [–] sir_andy_of_bad 0 points (+0|-0)  ago 

    Because IT professionals, such as myself, aren't the ones who make the purchases. That's management. Look at it this way; My boss came to me, and said we need to build a new server. Every server and board combination I came up with was Opteron based. But since he's a normy, he told me that he wanted Intel, because Intel is "better". Marketing man. Marketing. Intel has spent hundreds of billions on marketing to AMDs millions. IT pros such as myself know what's up, but unfortunately the purchasing decisions are left to management, who often (read: always) make decisions based on hearsay and their experience, which is seldom that of professionals.

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    [–] raw 0 points (+0|-0)  ago 

    Nah. Google and Amazon are not your average IT companies. These companies are literally run by computer nerds. And this is a bug too serious to give away to marketing. Management maybe dumbass but they know the difference between a bad CPU and a broken CPU.

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    [–] o0shad0o 0 points (+0|-0)  ago  (edited  ago)

    IMO this was not a planned backdoor. With the complexity of modern CPUs it's possible to add a true backdoor, one that's not only difficult to find but also impossible to exploit without specific keys. State actors want access to people's computers, but they also don't want other state actors or hackers in. This almost certainly started as a bug. The question of how long state actors knew about it and used it before the information about it was disclosed is a different question.

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    [–] Unreasonable 0 points (+0|-0)  ago 

    What happened?

    NSA lost the "keys".

    The vulnerabilities are in their own systems.

    They "screwed the pooch".

    Now in order to save the NSA, they have to close the door and dead-bolt it shut.

    Best thing for the rest of us? Well AMD stock should soar this year.

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    [–] DestroyerOfSaturn 0 points (+0|-0)  ago  (edited  ago)

    Maybe it's a ploy to get people to get new hardware that's even more controllable and easier to integrate/exploit via AI and 5g? If people still buy Intel after this, then idk what to say


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